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Individuals get sued over medical debt. A lot. And — no shock — many of us getting sued can’t afford attorneys. 

However for a non-lawyer to give even fundamental recommendation in a lawsuit is a crime. Such a helper might go to jail. 

Some New Yorkers are waging a authorized struggle to change that. A nonprofit referred to as Upsolve needs to practice folks like pastors, social employees, and librarians to assist others perceive their rights and put together them to symbolize themselves in court docket. In the Bronx, pastor John Udo-Okon needs to be a kind of helpers. 

So Upsolve and Udo-Okon are suing New York Attorney General Letitia James for the right to do this work. If giving super-basic authorized recommendation is a crime, they need a federal decide to rule that it shouldn’t be. 

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